Well.
That was even more lame than I expected. Foghorn Leghorn–er, Keith at HousingPanic has declared war by commanding his troops to… read.
And to read BloodhoundBlog of all things!
Yeah, that’ll work…
The specific marching orders are pretty stupid, but that’s hardly a surprise.
The troops are supposed to prove that the Phoenix housing market has crashed, which has proved to be a problem, given that it hasn’t.
They are supposed to “flame away, and hard,” with the objective of chasing away future clients. Do your best, boys. Anyone who will listen to you — I don’t want.
This one I love:
Dig up postings, articles and quotes from Greg Swann for all to see. Where he admits having unlicensed or out of work realtors working for him.
The specific post cited says nothing of the sort, but, of course, Keith can’t read. But most BubbleHeads are much smarter than their “leader,” so do please read all you can here. This is one of the most serious real estate weblogs on the net. If you open your minds, you’ll learn a lot.
There is more — for example, a repetition of the false charge that I have posted comments at HP — but the whole call to action is pretty pitiful.
How’s the war going? I think this comment says it all:
What a pile of excrement is here in this blog.
It’s a waste of time to try to read blood whatever.
You better go anywhere else on the web.
This site is brain dead.
In other words, the poster is fighting out of his class and he knows it.
To our BubbleHead visitors: Even if you can’t stand on your own, surely you can do better than this moron you follow so slavishly…
And to our regular readers: This will be all heat, no substance. You do not have to respond to every comment — nor to any of them. They are not paying you for your time. I tend to choose comments by people who are better-behaved and who are raising points I want to talk about.
Ultimately, this has nothing to do with real estate. This is about the wounded vanity of a vile, ignorant troll. Let him sputter. It’s the one thing he’s good at…
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November 26, 2006 — 9:14 am
Jay Thompson says:
First, there aren’t 54,000 homes currently listed in the Phoenix area. Where do you people get your data from? “Bubbletracking”? Yeah. that sounds about as unbiased as the NAR (which you constantly accuse of lying).
Second, your definition of “market share” is ludicrous, at best. Many *very* successful real estate agents have no listings.
Wow, you people really need to come down off your mountain, clear the end of mankind out of your heads, and generally get a clue.
The saddest part of all this is you really seem to have no idea of just how foolish you all look.
November 26, 2006 — 9:45 am
Greg Swann says:
> 54,000 houses for sale and Greg Swann has 3 listings?
I think we have four, but I only have one of them — and it’s about to expire. We worked very hard all year to sell down our inventory, and we’ve been very careful to add only homes we are sure we can sell. Cathy has a couple fo high-end properties that will go live after the New Year, but we’re mainly concentrating on buyers right now. If you think this is a bad strategy in this market, you’re running with the right crowd.
November 26, 2006 — 9:46 am
Bubbleshanker says:
Phoenix is an oven, no one should live there.
40% of job market tied to construction. Jobs now gone.
Over 55k debt boxes sitting empty. The new 3 mile island.
Phoenix RE has always been boom/bust, now it’s big time bust.
Phoenix full of scam artists, Don Lapree, Kiyosaki for starters.
East side of Phoenix smells like a barn, west side is white trash.
Median crap box in the oven from 390 to 330 in a year, who is stupid
enough to catch a hot burning knife?
Phoenix RE is finished for the next 10 years, face facts.
November 26, 2006 — 9:58 am
Buzz Saw says:
You are a naseating pile of poo. A gaseous windbag to be sure. You are odious and foul smelling. You reek and your writing makes me want to hurl. You are a slippery bugger with the morals of and ape and the manners of a flatulent jackass. You revile all that you don’t understand. You quote useless statistics and spin lies as a spider might weave a web of deceit. I pity your clients whether they be buyers or sellers or whatever because surely they will pay top dollar for lies and cliches. If there is any justice a giant turd will fly into your mouth as you drive down the highway to one of your overpriced crapshacks which you intend to unload on some poor stupid shmuck. Actually, your buyers have it coming because they are stupid and your sellers deserve to wither on the vine. May your prostate enlarge to the size of a melon and your head shrink to the size of a corpuscle. (to be continued)
November 26, 2006 — 10:06 am
SeattleMoose says:
You do a great injustice by pretending that housing in not in meltdown and that it is a “good time to buy”. You know exactly what is going on….but you don’t care.
Have you no conscience? Ah yes, I forgot, you a RE agent and will say and do anything to “make a deal”…
A plague on you and your ilk!!!
November 26, 2006 — 10:25 am
Buzz Saw says:
Your face is covered with feces because I hath defecated on thine head. Thou art a shameless ho. Wilt thou give me a hummer with a purchase of a new Jack Meoff home? Wilt thou go into full disclosure and bare thine a$$ for all to see? I fart in thy general direction. I must now proceed to vomiteth up my generous spew for I hath acknowledged thine existence as an absurdly disgusting wart on the surface of Arizona and the greater Phoenix area. Hopefully they will eject you from their midst as a doctor might excise an enormous pussball from the midst of an carbuncle of outrageous inventory.
November 26, 2006 — 10:27 am
Jake says:
Ever hear of a Swann Song?
How about a Swann dive off a high cliff?
People interested in buying or selling in this very tough and disentigrating environment are not going to
entrust the largest purchase/sale of their lives to someone who puts sophmoric antics above professionalism.
Amateurs like yourself were able to make a lot of money during the runup until 2005. You thought it was because you were unique. The entire herd of amateur RE agents all thought they were unique and wonderful sales people.
You were wrong.
November 26, 2006 — 11:10 am
Jay Thompson says:
Buzz Saw must have bought a new thesaurus!
His/her maturity level is simply staggering.
Buzz Saw a real hoot. Over on HP, he/she proclaimed that Greg made a comment saying “kill him with facts”. It was in fact their fearless leader Keith that posted that.
November 26, 2006 — 11:27 am
john says:
Hi, coming back to a number of listing in Arizona area. 54k of available homes for sales are shown in http://www.ziprealty.com for Phoenix.
So maybe you don’t use ziprealty but your own MLS but home sellers are definitelly do
Regards,
November 26, 2006 — 11:29 am
Robert Cot says:
Mr. Swann,
Clear something up if you will. My reading of HP’s message was one of an offer to either call a truce or pull out all the stops leaving the choice to you. It appears then reading you both that it was you that chose battle. How do you reconcile the record with your claim of his having declared war? The one thing I had grown to trust in your missives was regardless of spin or insult you never knowingly lied. May well be that you felt no choice nor even need to make a choice but that doesn’t follow the record of point/counterpoint. I’m sure there’s an elegant sleight of hand waiting in the wings. The one I can see most plainly is; offered truce/war you chose war followed by HP’s response “war it is.” Yep, there it is HP does declare war. Sorry to have bothered you. Carry on.
November 26, 2006 — 11:29 am
john says:
Hi, don’t see my mesage so repeat it again.
Number of 54k listing in Phoeni rea is shown in http://www.ziprealty.com and I think it is a trustfull source as they are actually marketing all these listings.
egards
November 26, 2006 — 11:34 am
PHX seller says:
Agenda:
Greg, Sell houses gain notoriety.
Keith, Warn people gain notoriety.
Reality. Keith is just spending time posting articles and thoughts. He can really not harm anyone and may help a few people avoid bad decisions.
Greg, Is a predator that will say or do anything to help his business survive. This blog is his confessional and helps him justify his spin. He is blood thirsty and will turn over every rock to help justify his struggling business.
I think the minor notoriety part of these blogs is working. I think the pain caused by Greg is starting to get to him. Why would Greg argue his points with Keith’s group unless he wants some sort of comfort for selling his soul? Greg is looking for a fight, the problem is it is with himself.
November 26, 2006 — 11:37 am
greg swann needs help says:
Robert you are correct, here’s Keith’s note on HP about how this started after Greg’s “Masterbation” attack
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Criticism I can take but that was just disgusting, and beyond the pale. I don’t know about you HP’ers but I’d never do business with (or even associate with) a person who used that language. But par for the course with realtors I guess. Lack of class, lack of education, lack of intelligence.
So HP’ers tipped me off to this, so instead of going right online and posting something even more vile against this disgusting hack Greg Swann, I decided I should put an end to it right there, take the high road, and offer a truce, but back it up with a penalty if he chose to go to war. Here’s my private note I sent him:
I’ll give you a choice. 1) A war with the thousands of HP’ers so harsh and loud your practice and reputation in Arizona likely wouldn’t survive (beyond the damage you’re doing yourself) 2) A truce.
Here’s your post that is way beyond the pale, and made you look like some unprofessional weirdo. I’d suggest this be pulled by the weekend.
Well, he chose war.
November 26, 2006 — 11:41 am
Mike Bliss says:
It is ALWAYS a good time to buy if you are looking to stay put for 3 years or more. Use your heads.
November 26, 2006 — 12:23 pm
Richard says:
Greg – why all the anger…??
November 26, 2006 — 12:26 pm
Jay Thompson says:
John wrote: “Hi, don’t see my mesage so repeat it again.
Number of 54k listing in Phoeni rea is shown in http://www.ziprealty.com and I think it is a trustfull source as they are actually marketing all these listings.
egards”
Well, I don’t know where Zip gets their data, but the actual Phoenix area MLS (ARMLS) currently shows 41,953 listings (including AWC, condos, mobiles and timeshares). 37,932 SFH’s… Still a lot of inventory, but nowhere close to the 54K often (mis)quoted.
As much as it pains the bubble lovers to admit it, inventory is actually declining.
Personally, if it’s the number of Phoenix area listings you’re looking for, I’d trust the local MLS more than a national site. “National MLS’s” are notoriously slow to remove sold/expired/pending listings. Sure some people looking for homes will go to ZIP, but far more will look to the local MLS. If accuracy is important, why not go directly to the source?
November 26, 2006 — 12:59 pm
Greg Swann says:
> Greg – why all the anger…??
You lost me. This is a war of ridicule from my end. After all, I wrote all of Keith’s best jokes. The only thing he actually creates is the stuff he always has to be reminded to flush.
See how it works?
November 26, 2006 — 1:20 pm
Nathan Hughes says:
I don’t have any hatred of Keith. I’ve pretty much just stayed away from the mess between the him and Greg.
I don’t read his blog, so I don’t know what he’s all about. BUT, I can’t help take the comments posted here from his folks as examples of the simple-mindedness and maturity level of Keith’s blog and his readers. (Oh, and don’t forget to notice that most of the anti-Greg posts are lacking link-backs to their own websites.)
Again, I have no venom for Keith, but if my readers were posting this kind of drivel and associating it with me, then I would have some serious words with them myself.
These flames don’t reflect poorly on Greg at all, but I can’t say the same for how they reflect on Keith…
November 26, 2006 — 1:29 pm
ocrenter says:
here’s a graph of inventory vs. sales in Greater Phoenix since 7/05 til now. all information coming straight from ziprealty.com and the ASU RE center.
November 26, 2006 — 1:50 pm
Martin says:
Perhaps rushing back and forth to your office and seeing if there is any changes in your real estate is causing you to sweat. You stink; take a bath, relax and come to reality. Your good times are over as well as your job.
Only then will you see from the side lines what is happening. Good luck. You will need it!
November 26, 2006 — 1:56 pm
ocrenter says:
the current Maricopa County total inventory is 46,000, including SFR/condo/land parcels. The 54,000 comes from including Pinal County. Given there’s really no industry and true employment centers of its own, Pinal is really part of the Greater Phoenix suburbia. That’s why the 54,000 inventory is legit.
But if you must insist. we can certainly go with the 46,000 figure. Is that a lot of home for 3.4 million folks? Well, try this one out: San Diego with its 23,000 inventory for its 3.07 million had a 17% price drop year over year for its new home market. Phoenix has slightly more in population but double the inventory size. you don’t see a problem there?
November 26, 2006 — 2:58 pm
ks says:
If the Phoenix market is doing so well, why do you even care what the “bubblehead” bloggers are saying? Whose wounded vanity are we talking about here?
All very interesting…thanks for putting your face on the map for future homebuyers–including so-called “bubbleheads”.
November 26, 2006 — 3:07 pm
Jay Thompson says:
OCRenter wrote: “the current Maricopa County total inventory is 46,000, including SFR/condo/land parcels. The 54,000 comes from including Pinal County. Given there’s really no industry and true employment centers of its own, Pinal is really part of the Greater Phoenix suburbia. That’s why the 54,000 inventory is legit.”
Incorrect. The simple fact is, this morning, in ARMLS, the active and active with contingencies inventory was as I quoted above and on my blog. And as stated on my blog, that includes SFH’s (resale and SOME new), condos, mobiles and timeshares in the ARMLS coverage area, WHICH INCLUDES PARTS OF PINAL COUNTY. (And it does NOT include land parcels.)
So please, don’t tell me what is and is not included in my data. I know what’s in it, and apparently you do not.
BTW, the 2005 census estimate for the Phoenix MSA is 3.9 million, not 3.4. But hey, why be accurate about anything?
I’ve never once argued that there isn’t a lot of inventory here, no matter what the actual number of homes or people is. Yes, inventory is high. But it’s not so high that it’s all doom and gloom, sky is falling, earth is ending, as so many on the bubble side like to proclaim.
Feel free to use Zip’s numbers. The trend you posted looks correct, even if the actual numbers are not. If it’s trends you want to analyze, then Zip works fine. If you want to look at trends and get true raw numbers, I still say getting direct from the source is the way to go.
I just grow weary of people saying, “there are 54K homes listed in Phoenix.” That’s simply incorrect. There are 38K “homes” listed (more if you count condos and mobiles, which are clearly homes to the people that live in them. I exclude them because people generally refer to SFHs when they quote “home stats”). Yes, that’s a lot. But why spew a number that’s off by 30% when the data is readily available to get an accurate number? Lord knows how the evil Realtors get skewered if they dare report a stat that’s off by 30%…
November 26, 2006 — 3:50 pm
ocrenter says:
if you drop down the inventory to 46,000 by counting only Maricopa County inventory, then you also need to lower the population count from 3.9 million, because that’s total Maricopa/Pinal counties combined population.
Since you are now counting 3.9 million in population, now we are back to 54,000 inventory. minus land parcels, that’s 45,000 in inventory.
but whether 45,000 or 54,000, we’re still undercounting because we are ignoring all of the spec homes from new home builders as well as all of the FSBO and HelpUSell non-MLS listings.
the sky isn’t falling, the earth isn’t ending. the only thing happening is the speculative bubble driven by loose lending and easy credit is coming to an end. The inventory rise is driven by speculators rushing to the exit. The decrease in sales come from sudden removal of speculative demand. With the supply/demand shift, price drop is what happens. The falsely elevated home prices from the artificially driven speculative demand will return to the mean. Therefore, don’t buy a home right now when the prices are still correcting itself from that artifical high. That’s all. no talk of armageddon here at all. just plain and simple supply vs. demand talk.
November 26, 2006 — 4:15 pm
Greg Swann says:
> The guy doesn’t even own a home
False.
Half the time I’m accused of owning a McMansion and driving a Lexus, and the other half the time I’m homeless and living on ramen noodles. How can you folks be wrong so many different ways at once?
November 26, 2006 — 6:35 pm
Tyler Sookochoff says:
While I can understand some people’s dislike of real estate agents in general (and I agree that there are a lot of greasy, lying, cheating agents out there (although this, of course, isn’t the exclusive domain of agents)), I have personally found Greg’s candidness and honesty in his writings to be quite refreshing. Unlike some, I don’t mind a bit of salty language here and there – to me, it shows that there’s a real person behind the writing, and not just some ‘corporate stooge’. And what some would call arrogance, I see as confidence and character.
I certainly don’t agree with everything Greg writes, and I’m quite sure he doesn’t care if I do or not. In fact, Greg’s good that way: you can tell that he’s really not trying to please everyone; he’s not just saying stuff that he thinks everyone wants to hear. He speaks his mind and is confident that the people he thinks matter will agree with him; or will come to agree with him; or will at least be open to engaging in rational debate.
Is it rational to, on the one hand, lament disdain for agents who lie and spout BS all the time, then on the other hand, lament disdain for an agent who writes what he wants to write, uses prophanity if he deems necessary, and doesn’t really care what people think?
Personally, I’d much prefer to work with the latter.
November 26, 2006 — 7:05 pm
Comic Book Villain says:
> False.
>
> Half the time I’m accused of owning a McMansion and
> driving a Lexus, and the other half the time I’m
> homeless and living on ramen noodles. How can you
> folks be wrong so many different ways at once?
314 E EL CAMINITO DR
PHOENIX 85020
Hum…. I haven’t egged a house since (early) High School. This should be fun.
November 26, 2006 — 7:06 pm
Trevor Smith says:
I am a REALTOR in the Seattle area. I actually love our local bubble site, because most of the people are respectful and the conversation is reasonable. Tim, Seattle Bubble’s Founder, has the motto “live and let live.” Everyone here looks like an absolute fool. At least Greg makes known who he is, yet nearly every housing panic commenter is anonymous… that is just plain pathetic. If you believe what you say, tell who you are.
November 26, 2006 — 8:31 pm
Greg Swann says:
> 314 E EL CAMINITO DR
> PHOENIX 85020
Nice work, Junior G-Man. My address is all over my web site.
> Hum…. I haven’t egged a house since (early) High School. This should be fun.
Given that you’ve stooped to this level, precisely which of the charges I have made against BubbleHeads do you wish to object to?
November 26, 2006 — 8:33 pm
Paul E. Math says:
Thank you ocrenter and Jay for enlightening this discussion with relevant facts. Based on the numbers quoted by both of you, I think we can safely say that now is NOT a good time to buy a home as an ‘investment’. So why does Greg Swann say that it is?
The answer is the same reason that Greg Swann has so few listings of homes for sale on his site – it’s not a ‘good’ time to buy a home but it definitely is an easy time to buy a home. With so much inventory out there, a real estate agent would have to work really hard to sell a home, I bet. But it’s pretty easy to buy one. That’s not the same as saying it’s a good investment.
I don’t blame Greg for being strategic about which end of the transaction he wants to be on right now – it’s a smart move. It’s just not an honest one when he tells people that a home is a good ‘investment’ right now. Why would I want to ‘invest’ in an asset of declining value?
I mean, I know that Greg wants me to buy a home because then he gets a commission – but what’s in it for me?
Sure, I can easily get a good discount off the list price on any of my choice of homes right now. But in 6 months, a year, 5 years, that house will be worth even less than the discounted price I pay: NOT a good ‘investment’. Greg Swann: NOT an honest man.
November 26, 2006 — 8:53 pm
Greg Swann says:
> It’s just not an honest one when he tells people that a home is a good ‘investment’ right now.
Except I don’t, of course. My advice to my investors is to sit tight right now. Don’t buy — but don’t sell, either, as the rental market in Phoenix is better than it’s been in many years.
I’m working with a lot of owner-occupants right now, but I’m very clear with them that they have to plan to stay put for at least three years.
I take great care of my clients — and they take great care of me.
Are you so corrupt that you cannot even imagine an alternative to corruption? How sad for you…
November 26, 2006 — 9:11 pm
Just another bitter bubblehead... says:
Greg,
Here’s what I see on the “bubblehead sites” that in my opinion makes them more informative than your site and better resources: plots. Relevant plots of historical data. Let’s see a plot of the ratio of median home price to median annual income for the Phoenix area. The “bubbleheads” such as Rich Toscano in San Diego, Ben Jones in Northern Arizona, and yes, Keith at Housing Panic, seem to provide a lot more historical data on their sites than you provide your readers. I don’t want to see historical data since 2000, I want to see historical data going back to WWII or before. Make the plot, look at the ratio of home price to income, then try to explain to me what happened over the last couple of years that will not come undone, to cause reversion of this value to its historical mean. To me, a person armed with such information would have to be a fool to throw their money away on what appears to be nothing more than a mass mania by investment lemmings. I’m no seasoned investor but I’ve been financially awake for long enough that I was paying attention during a similar mania in the stock market during the late ’90s. I’ve done enough reading to know that real estate investement manias are not new phenomena, and the current state of the market seems to be well-explained as a mania precipitated by historically low interest rates, which were reduced to lessen the impact of the tech bubble. How long will rates remain at these historical lows? Was all previous fed policy misguided, and only since the tech bubble we’ve figured out how to do things? I surely doubt that.
Please, make the plot (you and “Jeff Brown” say you’re the ones with data and the “bubbleheads” are just dataless, angry clowns, so – pony up), then make your argument as to why this ratio should remain so high of the historical mean going forward. See if you can make such an argument in the face of the data. I’d absolutely love to see that. To me this would settle the “war” with the “bubbleheads”. Frankly, I don’t like your odds, but I’d love to hear your argument – because I can’t even imagine what it would be, in the face of the historical data.
On a personal note, I hope no one eggs your house. That’s just stupid. Maybe you should hook up your garden hose to a motion detector.
November 26, 2006 — 10:11 pm
Tyler Sookochoff says:
Just for the record, I had no idea how long these debates/arguments between Greg and the Bubble-bloggers had been going on. Upon first glance of today’s activities, I was a little taken aback – but now I see that this is more of a game than anything; one that has been going on for months. Pure entertainment for all, it would seem.
Play on.
November 26, 2006 — 11:49 pm
Anonymous says:
Why would anyone live in Arizona?
November 27, 2006 — 12:44 am
Greg Swann says:
> Greg – you don’t own a home.
False.
> There is no home with your name on the deed.
Also false.
None of this is any of your damn business, of course.
This is how these things run: I say something obviously true about BubbleHeads — they behave like Brown Shirts, they swarm like Flying Monkeys, they get off on fantasies of calamtous ruin.
Then the BubbleHeads swarm in like Flying Monkeys, spouting their fantasies of calamtous ruin and behaving like Brown Shirts.
If only the BubbleHeads were brighter, they could appreciate how comical they are…
November 27, 2006 — 1:05 am
Paul E. Math says:
Swann, there is not much you say that’s true. I don’t know if you own a house and I don’t care. But when you say that I should invest in real estate or else I’ll miss out on a great opportunity, despite so much evidence to the contrary, then I know your advise is just self-serving and dishonest.
Tell you clients about the ratio of average home prices to average incomes. Tell them about the ratio of average home prices to average rents. Tell them about how those 2 ratios have always hovered around the same historic norms and they are now off the charts.
Speaking of charts, why don’t you show your clients what the home price chart looks like. Show them how it shows an anomalous spike over the last few years and how those prices can’t possibly be sustained.
Why don’t you show your clients the inventories and the foreclosure rates and tell them about the number of adjustable rate mortgages that will be resetting over the next 2 years and forcing many more foreclosures.
If you were honest then your site would be full of homes for sale, because the best advice is to get out of real estate while you still can. Then you would actually be doing a service to the real estate market. You could help people unload their properties before the major losses are sustained. But no, that would actually require work and you are just not that motivated by the prospect of actually helping people, especially when it is much easier and more lucrative to cheat them into buying into a declining market.
November 27, 2006 — 5:44 am
Robert Cot says:
Mr. Swann claims:
“I say something obviously true about BubbleHeads — they behave like Brown Shirts…”
What Mr. Swann really said:
“Whenever the subject of Phoenix comes up in a BubbleBlog, the assembled Brown Shirts pile on, for whatever reason.”
You did not say the people who disagree acted like brown shirts, you called them brown shirts. You may have -meant- to use a comparison but you -did- use a descriptor. I challenge you to find support for your choice of words. Perhaps one of your commentors;
jan-martin feddersen
husum, schleswig-holstein, DE
could explain the local laws regarding the civil and criminal penalties associated with these types of descriptions where he lives.
November 27, 2006 — 6:05 am
Yogsoggoth says:
Anyone want to bet Jay Thompson is a Gregg Swan-song sock puppet?
November 27, 2006 — 8:58 am
Bubbleshanker says:
“It is ALWAYS a good time to buy if you are looking to stay put for 3 years or more. Use your heads.”
Posts like these are both dangerous and stupid, the Japanese have had over 15 years of declining RE prices, and there has not been “more land” to build on. It may take Phoenix the same amount of time since this is the biggest bubble, in the entire history of bubbles, and Phoenix is ground zero. 3 Mile Island.
November 27, 2006 — 9:01 am
mike says:
Is the Phoenix area in a severe decline? You decide. Preliminary Phoenix report for November: http://tinyurl.com/yjk68z
Phoenix Housing Market- November Preview
By twist
…
But November is shaping up like this:
ALL MLS:
November 1-28: 3,751
October 1-28: 4,578
Last November 1-28: 6,032
This puts us down 18.1% from last month, and 37.8% year over year.
Industry pundits have discounted comparisons with last year’s sales numbers, saying that of course numbers are down, as last year’s numbers were an unsustainable anomaly.
The market had begun to cool off by last fall, however. Sales in October and November of 2005 were actually below 2004 levels.
…
November 27, 2006 — 11:10 am
Mush says:
A history of home prices:
http://www.biggerpockets.com/images/blog/shillerbig.gif
wheeeeee, what a wild ride housing is…remember kids…what goes up must come down.
November 27, 2006 — 11:52 am