{"id":1083,"date":"2007-02-26T19:59:02","date_gmt":"2007-02-27T02:59:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.bloodhoundrealty.com\/BloodhoundBlog\/?p=1083"},"modified":"2007-05-13T19:57:15","modified_gmt":"2007-05-14T02:57:15","slug":"thinking-skeptically-to-rain-on-redfincoms-parade","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.bloodhoundrealty.com\/BloodhoundBlog\/1083\/thinking-skeptically-to-rain-on-redfincoms-parade\/","title":{"rendered":"Thinking skeptically to rain on Redfin.com’s parade . . ."},"content":{"rendered":"

I’m not a Jesuit, but I play one on BloodhoundBlog. The real truth is, I’m a roll-your-own Jesuit, more auto-didact than anything. I didn’t have Brian Brady’s inestimable advantage of having had the gift of reason literally pounded into me. Instead, I had to stuff it between my own ears by hand. But one way or another, lay student or Brother, if you walk in the path of Ignatius Loyola, you learn to think skeptically. Any affirmative claim is far<\/i> more likely to be false than true.<\/p>\n

This morning, Redfin.com posted a claim<\/a> that MLS results “prove” that Redfin agents are better negotiators than other agents in the Seattle area. If CEO Glenn Kelman had made a claim like this in Brother Paul’s class, he’d be up late tonight writing a paper, striving either to prove or disprove it.<\/p>\n

The problem is not that the claim is necessarily<\/i> false. The problem is that that there are so many ways that it might<\/i> be false that, to call it true without eliminating each one of these canards and false paths is an inherently tendentious statement — suasion, not per<\/i>suasion.<\/p>\n

Before I begin work on my<\/i> much shorter paper on why the claim is dubious, I want to raise three meta-issues. First, I do not have access to the underlying data. If I did, I might write a much longer and much more conclusive paper. Second, I would have much greater faith in the mainstream media if more reporters were tuned to a Jesuitical tenor of skepticism. And third, the tabbed browser window is an excellent tool for organizing the resources to be used in an exercise like this.<\/p>\n

First, Redfin claims that its results rebut the claim that a salaried (and possibly inexperienced) agent will not negotiate as aggressively as a traditional real estate agent working on a straight commission compensation plan:<\/p>\n

After a year in the market, we decided to put our theory to the test, by querying the Northwest Multiple Listing Service for data on every home or condominium sold via a brokerage from February 6, 2006 (the date of Redfin Direct’s launch) through February Read more<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

I’m not a Jesuit, but I play one on BloodhoundBlog. The real truth is, I’m a roll-your-own Jesuit, more auto-didact than anything. I didn’t have Brian Brady’s inestimable advantage of having had the gift of reason literally pounded into me. Instead, I had to stuff it between my own ears by hand. 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