{"id":655,"date":"2006-11-19T00:41:40","date_gmt":"2006-11-19T07:41:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.bloodhoundrealty.com\/BloodhoundBlog\/?p=655"},"modified":"2006-11-19T00:45:52","modified_gmt":"2006-11-19T07:45:52","slug":"dual-agency-smack-down-dueling-angels-are-not-persuasive","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.bloodhoundrealty.com\/BloodhoundBlog\/655\/dual-agency-smack-down-dueling-angels-are-not-persuasive\/","title":{"rendered":"Dual Agency Smack-Down: Dueling angels are not persuasive . . ."},"content":{"rendered":"

I’m not really a Jesuit, I just play one in the blogsward. My mother had had enough of the Church before she went to high school, and, in consequence, I was sent to public schools. Those were actually quite a bit better then than they are now, but, even so, I bear my ignorance as a curse. I am too much aware that I am too much unaware, and every effort I make to correct this deficit serves only to deepen it. This is why I spend so much of my time crouched by Brother Quintilian, learning evermore to learn, to make up for my failure to have learned in the first place.<\/p>\n

Say what?<\/i><\/p>\n

In short: I am unswayed.<\/p>\n

I have not heard what I consider to be a persuasively-valid argument in support of Dual Agency. Counting Our Lady Ardell in a comment, we have three testaments to personal integrity, and these I do not dispute.<\/p>\n

But: So what?<\/p>\n

The question is not: Can very trustworthy people effect Dual Agency in a way that occasions no overt objections from their clients? Surely this is possible.<\/p>\n

The question is, rather: What policy should obtain in the absence<\/i> of a presumptive angelitude?<\/p>\n

The question is: Taking account that a certain percentage of licensees will be stupid, untrained, avaricious, uninformed or openly larcenous, what policy best protects the interests of the consumer — the alleged justification for<\/i> our licenses?<\/p>\n

Russell Shaw<\/a> raises a lot of side issues that really don’t have anything to do with the debate. He gets quite a few of these sideways, in my opinion, but we can save those debates for other days. The meat of his argument is here:<\/p>\n

My seller WANTS ME TO SELL THEIR HOME TO A BUYER I ALREADY HAVE – this is THE very thing they are hiring us to do.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

That is: Dual Agency is valid because sellers want it. We turn to Quintilian, who advises us that, by this reasoning, Sub-Agency is also<\/i> valid. Sellers want it, and many of them don’t truly understand that they no longer have it in Arizona.<\/p>\n

Why don’t they have it? Because as much as sellers might Read more<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

I’m not really a Jesuit, I just play one in the blogsward. My mother had had enough of the Church before she went to high school, and, in consequence, I was sent to public schools. 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