{"id":7628,"date":"2009-03-31T21:40:47","date_gmt":"2009-04-01T04:40:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.bloodhoundrealty.com\/BloodhoundBlog\/?p=7628"},"modified":"2009-03-31T22:50:51","modified_gmt":"2009-04-01T05:50:51","slug":"dont-discount-points-as-a-strategy-to-lower-mortgage-costs","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.bloodhoundrealty.com\/BloodhoundBlog\/7628\/dont-discount-points-as-a-strategy-to-lower-mortgage-costs\/","title":{"rendered":"Don&#8217;t Discount Points As A Strategy To Lower Mortgage Costs"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Discount fees (sometimes called &#8220;points&#8221;) are considered pre-paid interest.\u00a0 <a title=\"irs.gov\" href=\"http:\/\/www.irs.gov\/publications\/p936\/10426g03.html\" target=\"_blank\">Points are generally tax-deductible<\/a> and are used to lower a buyer&#8217;s mortgage rate.\u00a0 Most real estate agents have been taught that &#8220;points&#8221; are &#8220;padded profit&#8221; to a lender or loan originator and should be avoided at all costs.\u00a0 <a title=\"jeff belonger\" href=\"http:\/\/activerain.com\/blogsview\/1010586\/Buying-Points-on-your-Mortgage-arent-EVIL-Just-your-thoughts-are\" target=\"_blank\">Jeff Belonger debunked that myth yesterday<\/a>; I was surprised to see the misinformed opinions being offered by the real estate agents and mortgage originators.<\/p>\n<p>Today&#8217;s low interest rate environment combined with low expectation of immediate home price appreciation offers a perfect opportunity for buyers to secure a low mortgage rate by employing a strategy of &#8220;buying the rate down&#8221; through a discount fee.<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s look at an example, from today&#8217;s rate sheet-$400,000 purchase price, $100,000 downpayment, for a 720 credit score borrower with adequate income documentation:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong>RATE\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 DISCOUNT FEE\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 NET BORROWER COST <\/strong><strong><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong>5.00%\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 $0<\/strong><strong><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong>4.75%\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0 1%\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 $3000<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong>4.5%\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0 1.5%\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 $4,500<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The proper way to perform this analysis is to determine the <em>expected minimum hold time for the mortgag<\/em>e.\u00a0 Most real estate agents will agree that in this environment, transaction costs combined with low expected appreciation rates suggest that five years is the absolute minimum to hold the property.\u00a0 Buyers may elect to move (and rent) the property but few agents would be so bold as to suggest that the buyer could make a profit in less than the five year time frame.<\/p>\n<p>It is my opinion that refinancing the mortgage loan will be difficult and unprofitable, during those same five years because:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>low price appreciation will limit buyers ability to &#8220;<a title=\"home equity\" href=\"http:\/\/www.wealthadvisoryassociates.com\/financial-planning\/equity-harvesting.php\" target=\"_blank\">harvest home equity<\/a>&#8220;<\/li>\n<li>interest rates are at a 35-year low.<\/li>\n<li>rapid inflation seems likely due to massive government borrowing and the Federal Reserve&#8217;s &#8220;<a title=\"printing money\" href=\"http:\/\/business.asiaone.com\/Business\/News\/My%2BMoney\/Story\/A1Story20090330-132059.html\" target=\"_blank\">printing money<\/a>&#8221; policy of the past 8-12 months.\u00a0 Inflation leads to higher mortgage rates.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Five years will be our minimum hold time for the mortgage loan then<\/strong>. <a title=\"using this mortgage calculator\" href=\"http:\/\/www.bretwhissel.net\/cgi-bin\/amortize\" target=\"_blank\">This amortization schedule<\/a> helps us determines what the lowest total costs are over five years.\u00a0 Simply add the cumulative interest (at month 60) plus the discount fee to determine the total costs:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">RATE \u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0 CUM. INT. \u00a0 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bloodhoundrealty.com\/BloodhoundBlog\/7628\/dont-discount-points-as-a-strategy-to-lower-mortgage-costs\/#more-7628\" class=\"more-link\">Read more<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Discount fees (sometimes called &#8220;points&#8221;) are considered pre-paid interest.\u00a0 Points are generally tax-deductible and are used to lower a buyer&#8217;s mortgage rate.\u00a0 Most real estate agents have been taught that &#8220;points&#8221; are &#8220;padded profit&#8221; to a lender or loan originator and should be avoided at all costs.\u00a0 Jeff Belonger debunked that myth yesterday; I was [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":15,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_crdt_document":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[26],"tags":[],"class_list":{"0":"post-7628","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"hentry","6":"category-lending","8":"no-featured-image"},"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":9259,"url":"https:\/\/www.bloodhoundrealty.com\/BloodhoundBlog\/9259\/consider-a-seller-paid-rate-buy-down-rather-than-price-reduction\/","url_meta":{"origin":7628,"position":0},"title":"Consider a Seller-Paid Rate Buy-Down Rather Than Price Reduction","author":"Brian Brady","date":"July 20, 2009","format":false,"excerpt":"Listing agents, considering offers might advise their sellers to counter-offer with a mortgage rate buy-down strategy rather than to reduce the sales price. 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