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#OpenDoor shows the world how the #iBuyer idea will die: Death by Days-on-Market.

“If a slacker employee was mysteriously transformed into a house for sale…”

Ask any old-timer in real estate what’s wrong with the iBuyer idea and he’ll tell you right away:

“What happens when the market turns?”

It would be charitable to argue that the iBuyers actually thought this mishegoss would work. Perhaps that’s so: They’re flippers, except they are very bad at every part of the flipping process. And they’re pawnbrokers – buyers of last resort – except they buy first, not last, paying top-dollar for the honor, then cling to their assets like precious prodigal sons.

Brokering real estate works for almost nobody, but it only works because the broker does not own the asset. Owning non-producing assets as “investments” is insane. It can only work if you buy at deep, deep discounts – like flippers and pawnbrokers do, and like OpenDoor apparently cannot do.

So: Closed Sale Price compared to Original List Price, on average: April -$9,537, May -$16,935, June -$31,698.

Those are from Phoenix. Perhaps they’re doing better in other cities, but this is their primal market and ground zero for all things iBuyer. I think we’re seeing how they work.

The trend on Days-on-Market is not great, and I would expect it to get a lot worse: April 41, May 40, June 48. By June the market had well and truly turned, but in April they should have been moving everything in single-digit DOMs. That they were not – and that they score so few winners in pricing, amidst so many huge losers – tells you how they will do, going forward.

The problem, as I have been saying for years, is that even if they bought right, which they don’t, and even if they rehabbed and marketed right, which they don’t, they would still own the “investments” far too long, resulting in killer carrying costs.

The delusion in iBuying emerged from two ploys from the Federal government, suppressing interest rates for home-buyers and also for Wall Street. Yippee! Practically-free money to buy assets that seem only to go up in price…

Ahem.

Imputed losses per “investment” will get uglier by the day – Read more

Overnight News: Q: What did Marxists use to light their homes before candles? A: Electricity.

Ya think it's easy?

“Go Ants!”

The country that set the standard for human liberty for centuries has the opportunity to vote itself into slavery today. This is just amazing to me, and, even though I know we’ll survive this scrape with hell’s torments, we are very far from being safe. We are Ants, and we need to support the Ants – and oppose the Grasshoppers – in everything they do.

Meanwhile, in my pre-election dread-shopping I acquired two very large candles. My faith in the Western ideal is such that I haven’t opened the package yet. I hope I never have to.

Godspeed, America. Go Ants!

Housing Wire: Beware of gloom and doom housing market crash headlines.

Housing Wire: Mortgages in forbearance fall across all loan types.

Housing Wire: Rate lock data suggests record $4T in 2020 mortgages.

Housing Wire: Younger generations want to become homeowners – Here’s how the housing industry can help.

Mike DelPrete: The Economics of iBuying.

The Daily Wire: Trump Campaign Claims Democrats Plan To Delegitimize Election Day Results.

Issues and Insights: Democrats Deny Voter Fraud Exists As They Plot To Steal Pennsylvania.

The American Mind: How Trump Survives a Coup.

Spengler: I Voted for Trump—and You Should, Too, Because the Republic Is at Stake.

The Federalist: Win Or Lose, Trump Isn’t Going Away.

Salena Zito: What’s old, and who, can be made new again.

Overnight News: Hey, Redfin: What happens when you tell everyone you’re racist – and they believe you?

Ya think it's easy?

“Redfin? Now that’s good eatin’!”

Here’s the deal: If disparate impact is automatically racism, Asian and Jewish people should be suing pro-athletics. That’s what Glenn Kelman needs to say to swat the race pirates away.

Financial hurdles seek to qualify Ants and disqualify Grasshoppers. This has nothing to do with race, but every financial hurdle will seem to have disparate impact on different racial groups, depending on how exponents of those groups have expressed Ant or Grasshopper values over time.

That cannot possibly be Redfin’s fault. But Redfin and every brokerage that has transaction minimums – including all of the major iBuyers – will be devoured by race pirates until they are willing to explain how Ants get ahead in the world.

Getting ahead on my gloating, from September 22:

Greg Swann: A fun fact about #iBuyers? Every buy-box is redlining.

Color-me-Redfin is getting spanked:

AP: Fair housing groups: Redfin ‘redlines’ minority communities. Cannot not be so. Six Flags “redlines” short children – and dwarves! – on all the good rides.

Housing Wire: Redfin faces “redlining” lawsuit claiming it favors white neighborhoods. White people should sue about the even-better service the even-better-qualified Asian clients are getting. And everyone should sue waiters for the way they fawn over the big tippers!

In the so-far unspanked world:

CNBC: Smaller American cities see big interest from urban flight. CTRL-F ‘riot’; not found.

Forbes: The Serious Disconnect Between A Hot Residential Real Estate Market And The Coming Tsunami Of Foreclosures. CTRL-F ‘riot’; not found.

SFGate.com: San Francisco curbs virus but once-vibrant downtown is empty.

City Journal: San Francisco, Homeless Encampment: A new plan to turn the whole city into a shelter system might finally be the breaking point for residents.

Fox Business: American shoppers panic-buying as coronavirus spike aggravates year of upheaval.

The Federalist: Yes, Media Are Rigging The Election Against Half The Country. Here’s How.

Neil Patel: It’s Easy to Predict the Loser in Tuesday’s Election.

Matthew Continetti: The Next Populist Revolt.

Tyler O’Neil: Biden Pledges to Gut Religious Freedom Protections, Saying They Give ‘Hate’ a ‘Safe Harbor.’

Overnight News: When we are shielded solely by the courage of men like Tucker Carlson and Glenn Greenwald – that would be a government of men and not of laws.

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“Fortune favors the brave? Fortune favors the well-prepared? My motto is: ‘You never can tell.’ Accordingly: Fortune favors the audacious!”

I closed a house yesterday – I’m bragging about it just below – so I refuse to despair. Life is luck, ab initio, and we can hope we will be lucky enough to make it past Election Day…

Yesterday on BloodhoundBlog:

Greg Swann: A Bloodhound’s fish story: $10k over list, $15k over market, 23 days total – and the seller’s total pre-market outlay was $257.50. It’s easy to forget this fact in our piles of self-important paperwork, but real estate representation is selling.

And in the harsh, cold, cruel world outside:

Forbes: Housing Affordability Inches Down, Despite Record-Low Mortgage Rates. CTRL-F ‘riot’; not found.

CNBC: Earnings for apartment owners show the pain of urban flight. CTRL-F ‘riot’; not found.

CNBC: There was a surprise drop in September home sales as buyers were priced out. CTRL-F ‘riot’; not found.

Housing Wire: Zillow Offers cuts 80 jobs, cites realignment. Another cry of financial pain? That’s usually what layoffs mean. But this could be an SJW purge – ditching the freethinkers. Expect a lot of this as corporations are taken over from within by Critical Theory Marxists recruited en masse from America’s “elite” universities Marxism factories. Was I to guess, I might suppose they are losing the people they hired with actual real life real estate experience. iBuyers in general seem committed to making every error ever made in real estate; experienced people ruin all the fun.

PJ Media: Joe Biden Pandering to the AFL-CIO Will Impact Millions of American Freelancers.

RedState: The War on Independent Contractors is a War on Working Women and Families.

Matt Taibbi: The media — and social media — drive to squelch information a menace no matter who wins election.

Matt Taibbi: Glenn Greenwald On His Resignation From The Intercept.

Hollywood in Toto: ‘Plot Against the President’ Shames Media, Deep State Agents. Not really a date-night movie, but it’s free on Prime.

Overnight News: Why is there no real estate news on weekends – you know, when real estate happens?

Ya think it's easy?

“Go ahead. Fool around with my food. Find out what happens.”

A beef I’ve had with the internet since there was an internet to have a beef with: Writers don’t write when readers have time to read. Is this classism or cluelessness: Why would the public library be closed on Sunday, the day when taxpayers have time to go there? If you spend too much time thinking about the incongruities of social existence, you could end up a weblogger.

Meanwhile, the only actual real estate news I have to offer this morning is my own scoop: Zillow and OpenDoor are chiseling Buyer’s Agents in their Phoenix listings. Totally not bleeding themselves out.

The Verge: Bond was the last straw: Regal and Cineworld will reportedly close all theaters in US and UK next week. The contractions we are seeing in commercial real estate categories were happening already, anyway. This year is simply accelerating in-motion efficiencies, with the result that 2020 could end up serving up the benefits of a full-on recession – in Trump time.

Science Alert: 35 Years of Research Into Coronavirus Infections Show Long-Term Immunity Is Unlikely.

The Post Millennial: Mathematics association declares math is racist. Not racist, anti-Grasshopper. Everything that makes Grasshoppers feel inadequate is trayf. Totally not a cult.

The City Journal: The Crypto State? How Bitcoin, Ethereum, and other technologies could point the way to new systems of governance.

A Sunday sermon for the Phoenix iBuyers: “Do not bind the mouths of the Buyer’s Agents.”

“I was going to pay you this whole pizza, but instead I’m keeping a quarter of it for myself. Why? Because you can’t spell sociopath without Ci, that’s why.”

I don’t list a lot, right now, but I have been working for years to list perfectly: Highest/safest/soonest offer in minimal Days on Market. I haven’t done my numbers in a while, but I’ve been under seven days, on average, for a long time, typically selling at or above Fair-Market Value. I sell bread-and-butter houses, and I sell them fast, for top-dollar, with no hassles and minimal showing-damage to the property.

Because I have a listing right now, I am aware of the competition. Interestingly, I ran across listings from both Zillow and OpenDoor that significantly underpay Buyer’s Agents.

Note well: Brokers are advised to avoid discussing commission rates amongst each other, since free speech and free assembly don’t count if you’re in business. Whatever. I certainly have the right to talk about commissions all alone.

So first: I hate it that the Listing Agent pays the Buyer’s Agent. We say the seller does, but the lenders would never allow that, just as they don’t allow buyers to pay for their own representation. Instead, the seller pays the Listing Agent a lot more than he will typically earn, with half or more of that commission income going to the Buyer’s Agent. You say the buyer is getting representation. I say I am paying a brokerage fee: The price of the introduction. If you don’t see the Agency problem here – I am buying your fiduciary’s loyalty, aligning his interests with mine and my seller’s and against yours – the NAR would love to have you testify on its side in the upcoming lawsuit over this idiotic compensation scheme.

But second: I Corinthians 9:7-10: “Do not bind the mouths of the grunts on the ground who are delivering your dinner!” Buyer’s Agents don’t work for their brokers, they work for Listing Agents. Freelance. On spec. They live on dreams and promises, too many of which don’t come true. They drive hundreds of miles a Read more

“Apparently, Opendoor and Zillow and Knock and Flyhomes and Offerpad have been wasting hundreds of millions on all those data scientists and CompSci Ph.D.’s from Stanford.” –Rob Hahn

That sounds right to me. 😉 The waste is not their salaries but the financial havoc they wreak as the very-most-backseat of drivers. That is to say, iBuyers suck at real estate investment, and their hubris prevents any sort of improvement.

“Are YOU notorious? Have you ever BEEN notorious? Well, I have… Not necessarily wise – but compensated.”

Yes, I’m Trump-quoting real-estate consultant The Notorious Rob for fun in the headline, just like the TV “news” does.

But: It turns out Eric Blackwell knows where to poke the Pooh bear’s mincing minions.

My experiences with Rob Hahn have not been pleasant, and this and his other posts are tl;dr, even assuming he knows anything worth reading about, an assumption I do not make.

What’s funny is that Señor Notorious is right here, despite his snark: As soon as the market turns, all of those poindexter models collapse.

And note well: There is ALWAYS something to howl about at BloodhoundBlog.

Overnight News: Hey! Be nice! Don’t poke the Pooh bears! They’ve got big money to lose – and you can help them squander it!

Ya think it's easy?

“We have alpacas in our neighborhood, but I’d just as soon break into the fridge.”

For all of me, I prefer to think of iBuyers as whales, the very rich dumbasses who unknowingly fund the entire gambling ecosystem. But bears works, too – poorly-adapted, slow-witted, no match for three or four smart dogs working together. When they get lost and wander down into the desert, they leave nothing but sun-bleached skeletons behind.

So, yeah: Poke! Do your worst, Pooh bears. Your wins are imaginary. Your losses are legion – so far.

Yesterday on BloodhoundBlog:

Eric Blackwell: Zillow: Whatever you do. Don’t poke the bear. Lol. Poke!

Brian Brady: Mortgage Refinancing and Forbearance: Three Balls, You Walk, One Strike, You’re Out.

As for the rest of the world…

Redfin: Home Prices Just. Keep. Climbing. National Median Now Up 14% from Last Year. CTRL-F ‘riot’; not found.

CNBC: New home sales crush expectations, but the supply is running out. CTRL-F ‘riot’; not found.

Redfin: New-Construction Home Listings Drop 4% in August, Reversing Course From July’s Rebound. CTRL-F ‘riot’; not found.

SFGate.com: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10,000 to leave California.

Fox News: Gun sales in major swing states up nearly 80% this year: Will it have any bearing on election outcome?

The Daily Signal: Public Schools Across Country Promote Black Lives Matter, Organize Protests.

TaxProf Blog: Welcome To The Turbulent Twenties.

Anchorage Daily News: Brown bear breaks into Alaska Zoo, kills alpaca named Caesar.

Zillow: Whatever you do. Don’t poke the bear. Lol. Poke!

It has been 8 years since I have regularly blogged here. During that time I have learned a lot, broadened what I do, and instead of working as an SEO constultant, I am working full time as the Director of Online Marketing with The Real Estate Group in Chesapeake VA. I still live in Southern Indiana, but I love working with roughly 250 of the best career minded agents and without a doubt led by the best broker owners that I have ever worked with. And I have met some great ones during my career. I probably should state here and I will with each post going forward that I am acting in my personal capacity and the views are mine alone and not that of my employers. (Do you know how difficult it was not to drop in a gratuitous Mike Pompeo reference here? Lol) –

I am not an Ivy League educated, MBA type. I am main street personified. So I look at things like Zillow’s announcement and the Notorious ROB’s response to it with a more practical and downhome point of view. (CLICK Here. Please read it before continuing. I’ll wait. 🙂 And be sure to see the menacing picture of the bear. 🙂 ) First off, I want to thank Rob for the transparency that he was paid to consult with Zillow on the PR response to this more. Many others might not have disclosed that. We all appreciate transparency.

But here from my perch just north of Louisville KY, in Southern Indiana, I would like to offer my response to his analysis. Boiled down he basically makes the case for “Real Estate Industry: OMIGOSH, WHATEVER you do, DON’T poke the bear!!! You will regret it! Zillow has (insert hushed tones) WALL Street Money! $2 Billion (end hushed tones) in cash. Ummm…okay Mitt Romney… but those of us on main street (and especially when we are not in Phoenix or one of the other cities that they iBuy in currently) might have a different view.

It does not take a Phd diploma on the wall to quickly calculate that even Read more

Overnight News: Why would the world’s dumbest real estate investor hire himself as his own broker? Because the emperor is definitely not naked!

“The money-making secret to real estate brokerage? Socialize the risks to the seller – not the broker.”

Yesterday’s big news? “The Incumbent” doubles down on dipshit. Dipshit-aficionados rejoice.

Housing Wire: Home prices post record two-month gain, FHFA says. CTRL-F ‘riot’; not found.

Redfin: Sacramento, Austin and Phoenix Are the Most Popular Destinations For People Searching For Homes Outside Their Metro Area. CTRL-F ‘riot’; not found.

Housing Wire: Renovation loans get pandemic boost as homeowners want home offices. CTRL-F ‘riot’; not found.

CNBC: Coronavirus pandemic fuels affordability crisis for homebuyers. CTRL-F ‘riot’; not found.

Housing Wire: Dave Stevens: 5 reasons why mortgage rates are going to rise in 2021.

Seeking Alpha: Zillow Offers Will Expand Services in 2021.

Housing Wire: Zillow iBuying program brings real estate transactions in-house by licensing Zillow Homes employees.

Joanne Jacobs: Not indoctrinated, just ignorant.

City Journal: Merit on the Ropes.

Angelo Codevilla: Revolution 2020. Incidentally: CTRL-F ‘riot’; 6 found.

And our own Brian Brady! San Diego Union Tribune: I’m a Republican. Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s death is both a loss and a legal opportunity.

The news is not that Zillow is going to have agents. It’s going to have newbies for agents.

Housing Wire:

A Zillow spokesperson told HousingWire that these people are already employed with Zillow, and will be getting real estate licenses. Zillow said it will not be recruiting for these positions.

“The normal career path is real estate agent to barista, but Zillow’s changing all that!”

It’s a boiler-room job – in the same article, George Laughton says Zillow still won’t be getting its hands dirty. But boiler-room selling and legally-compliant real estate brokerage are two different things.

Whatever. This morning I wrote this to my favorite pricing algorithm, soon to be disintermediated by exuberant, clueless college grads:

Of course this was the plan all along. The funny part? They think they’ve lived through a downturn with Coronavirus. Now they get to play catch-a-falling-knife with their own inventory.

The press release reads like they think the local brokers, like Laughton, are hoarding all the good leads from the failures and fallouts. I hope that’s the reason, just because it’s extra stupid.

Note that the 18 or so local brokers who were not screwed today now know what they have coming.

All of the iBuyers working in Phoenix suck at resale marketing. They make bone-headed marketing errors, common to many poor listers, but they make them by the hundreds. Pulling even more of that work in-house, when Zillow is so bad at it, seems daft – even absent the opportunity to make thousands upon thousands of regulatory infractions.

Prove me wrong, Zillow? You look like nothing but dead money to me.

A fun fact about #iBuyers? Every buy-box is redlining.

“Totally not redlining!”

The image is a map of Zillow’s sold iBuyer homes in the densest parts of Metropolitan Phoenix.

See that Madonana-like shape running West from the I-17 Freeway. Looks like a pregnant single-mom, doesn’t it? The poster-child of fair-housing law, right there on the map.

Looks like redlining, doesn’t it?

I’ve been watching Zillow’s iBuying results for years now. It always looks like redlining. I warned them about it when I was working as a pricing algorithm.

Is it really redlining? It’s the further fruits of a buy-box that wisely avoids old, small and irregular housing. For all of me, Zillow’s buy-box is much too loose, but the net consequence is that much of the housing Zillow excludes is in contiguous neighborhoods emerging West from the I-17.

Is it really redlining? The neighborhoods Zillow and the other iBuyers exclude in Metropolitan Phoenix are far browner, blacker and redder than the neighborhoods they include. That’s redlining de facto, by disproportionate impact.

Is it possible for investors to work from a buy-box that does not redline in disproportionate impact terms? I don’t see how. The buy-box my investors work from is much more stringent, to the point that we only work in a few subdivisions, by now.

Is it possible for licensed real estate brokers to work as investors without committing hundreds of de facto materially-damaging fair-housing violations by means of redlining? I don’t see how.

That’s why investors should not be licensed, for one thing, but I think it illuminates how poorly thought-out are all the “black lives matterers” among the iBuyers.

Have fun when the lawsuits start – particularly since you’ve all already declared what racists you are.

The trick to pricing real estate? It ain’t comping houses…

You: “Where should I price this house?” Me: “How much are the buyers willing to pay?” You: “How am I supposed to know about the buyers?” Me: “Precisely!”

For a year-and-a-day, I was an iBuyer pricing algorithm.

When Zillow announced they were going into the cash-incineration iBuying business, I looked for opportunities to find out more. Amazingly, I lucked into a job doing CMAs for Zillow’s pioneer broker on the ground. What’s amazing? Until then, I had never done a CMA in my two-decade career as a Realtor.

I could and can price to the dollar, but I never did anything beyond reading the comps like tea leaves. Zillow was a huge gift to me that way. I got to work with appraisers, and I learned why their comp selections always look so alien to me. I did my best to teach them my way of comping, but I only made a real dent in two of them.

Their tricks were great, and I had fun playing with them. I had never in my life adjusted for anything, for one thing, but I had never ever crossed an arterial street to get a comp before, either: It was – and still is – a great big deal to get me to leave the subject property’s subdivision.

My biggest influence on them was time. Until March of this year, the price trajectory in the Valley of the Ever-Fecund Sun had been steady as a clock since 2014 or so. They were going back three months for comps, adjusting for time. I rocked them to a year, and I did not hesitate to go back longer than that. Better to have closer comps, adjusted, than a false confidence in more-recent but less-comparable sales.

Zillow was a hoot. The appraisers would do things I think are crazy – like comping one- to two-story homes – but Zillow’s minions would not understand why wildly divergent product lines – Ikea kitchens versus Sub-Zero kitchens, for example – cannot be compared for pricing purposes. If you’re looking for defects in any AVM, it’s there, the inability to reconcile proximate Read more

The money-making secret to real estate? Socialize the risks to the seller. The #iBuyers are just now catching that clue – ineptly, as always.

“Yes, I’m taking a cut on the sale of an asset I didn’t have to buy, first. But you are getting a real estate marketing expert you don’t even have to pay for until I’ve already delivered the goods.”

This has been a slow-rolling epiphany on the part of the iBuyers. I’ve snarked about it here and there, but that’s all, so far. I wrote a ton about iBuying last Summer, but by now it all seems quite a bit less urgent. There are a lot more of them now, for one thing, and they sell like a niche offering – Ug-buys-ugly-houses with swankier web sites. Much worse, dumbasses who already could not evaluate properties are all at sea trying to price into dizzyingly volatile, madly divergent markets. And I thought they were screwed before 2020 came along…

So what’s their solution?

Socialize the risks to the sellers, of course.

After only eight years of pissing away investor funds brokering real estate without a business model, OpenDoor has discovered real estate brokerage: I sell it but you own it, and all I get is a sales commission – and even then only if I get the property sold and the transaction closed. Sucks to be the broker? It can – if the broker sucks. But the upside is that the broker pays only his marketing costs, with the seller bearing all of the ongoing carrying costs.

I sell fast with almost no costs on my end, so this matters less to me that it might to, say, iBuyers, who have demonstrated repeatedly that they can cling to inventory long after buyer feeding frenzies have devoured everything else. Offloading months and months of carrying costs onto the seller might actually point OpenDoor to a path to profitability – someday.

In passing: OfferPad is already cross-selling traditional listings, and, of course, this has been Redfin’s iBuying pitch all along.

And that pitch is what?

“You can either sacrifice your equity for quick cash, or you can risk your time, money and equity on the MLS.”

They won’t say it that way, but that is the actual alternative being Read more